|artberry on Jun 17, 2003 at 7:18:12 PM (# 255)|
I suppose it is possible to put off novice users, but novice users don't usually nick or copy code Web designers/developers do and normally know all the dirty tricks, so such things serve no real purpose.
susanob on Jun 17, 2003 at 8:53:32 PM (# 256)
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There is a reason why the English language has no future tense whatsoever. You never know what the future holds, so the English language doesn't support it.
I agree with hobbes_78, and I think we can all agree that:
Holophrastic *was* an a s s h o l e in the *past*.
Holophrastic *is* an a s s h o l e in the *present*.
Holophrastic *will* always *be* an a s s h o l e in the *future*.
Holophrastic also spewed:
you're a programmer? language is language. if you want it to work for you, you have to use it properly.
A s s h o l e heal thyself. (And that’s present tense imperative.)
While you’re at it, you need to see a psychiatrist with your attitude. My rates are $150/hour.
As zuckera noted, you must hate your job.
At least mjzalewski was on-topic.
If you don't know, then just say so. This is a place to learn and there’s absolutely no need for the ad hominem attacks and going on and on and on about your pathetic life, food, home, health care, mortgage, troubles with your wife/male companion, etc.
mszlazak on Jun 17, 2003 at 10:50:40 PM (# 257)
There IS a 100% sure-fire way the hide script when a someone is compliant. Ask them to please not look at.
Holophrastic on Jun 17, 2003 at 11:10:15 PM (# 258)
last time I checked, *be* is present tense, and *will* is a noun.
*will be* is not an actual future tense because *will* is not part of the main verb, it is simply a helper, and *be* is the verb and is present tense.
what I'm saying is not new. English has no future tense. You can keep looking for it, but you won't find it.
will means want
going indicates present travel or transport
stop looking. about the only thing you'll discover is that laymen drop small words from proper grammar, which, when returned, make the syntax obvious. Words such as that, to, about, on, within, and such.
chipple on Jun 18, 2003 at 12:59:56 AM (# 259)
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"will" certainly isn't a noun unless you're talking about someone's "will" (pick your favorite definition).
Main Entry: 1will
Pronunciation: w&l, (&)l, &l, 'wil
Inflected Form(s): past would /w&d, (&)d, 'wud/; present singular & plural will
Etymology: Middle English (1st & 3d sing. present indic.), from Old English wille (infinitive wyllan); akin to Old High German wili (3d singular present indicative) wills, Latin velle to wish, will
Date: before 12th century
transitive senses : DESIRE, WISH <call it what you will>
1 -- used to express desire, choice, willingness, consent, or in negative constructions refusal <no one would take the job> <if we will all do our best> <will you please stop that racket>
2 -- used to express frequent, customary, or habitual action or natural tendency or disposition <will get angry over nothing> <will work one day and loaf the next>
3 -- used to express futurity <tomorrow morning I will wake up in this first-class hotel suite -- Tennessee Williams>
4 -- used to express capability or sufficiency <the back seat will hold three passengers>
5 -- used to express probability and often equivalent to the simple verb <that will be the milkman>
6 a -- used to express determination, insistence, persistence, or willfulness <I have made up my mind to go and go I will> b -- used to express inevitability <accidents will happen>
7 -- used to express a command, exhortation, or injunction <you will do as I say, at once>
intransitive senses : to have a wish or desire <whether we will or no>
usage see SHALL
- if you will : if you wish to call it that <a kind of preoccupation, or obsession if you will -- Louis Auchincloss>
Holophrastic on Jun 18, 2003 at 1:08:09 AM (# 260)
welcome to the concept of a word's origin versus its common usage. look at its etymology and look at its original usage. you will find that it always relates to will.
besides, how can it have any verbial meaning when it's used with any verb? I will run and I will fall -- *will* obviously has no verbial distinction.
ever study shakespeare? welcome to past common usage, i.e. closer to original. You will not find many example of will used the way we use it today. You will find it used within the wishful context. You will also find the additional article(?) *to* as in "I will to see you" and *I will to fall". The same word is used as "would" as in *I would the presence of your company*
English actually does not have a future tense. You can ignore common schooling. After-all, common schooling has destroyed the adverbial suffix, the hyphen, the distinction between a dash, a hyphen, and an m-dash, the ellipsis, much of proper grammar, and, lest we forget, while February is properly written with two r's, it is now acceptably pronounced with only one.
bod1467 on Jun 18, 2003 at 1:17:10 AM (# 261)
So, in effect, will is an adverb as well as a noun, but not a verb (in common usage) and hence there is no true future tense in English?